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Message started by Robert Blenheim on 07/18/14 at 8:29am

Title: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Robert Blenheim on 07/18/14 at 8:29am
I'd like to know your favorite film directors, after Sam Peckinpah, of course!

Here are mine (at least, today!):
Alfred Hitchcock
Michelangelo Antonioni
Wong Kar-Wai
Michael Haneke
Buster Keaton
Preston Sturges
Carl Dreyer
Stanley Kubrick
David Lean
Luchino Visconti
Joseph Losey
Josef von Sternberg
Martin Scorsese
Jean-Pierre Melville
Paul Thomas Anderson
Jacques Tourneur
This list could change tomorrow!

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by mike bishop on 07/18/14 at 3:39pm
Great list.
I have yet to discover Wong-Kar Wai and Haneke, who both up to this moment never touched me. Maybe I'm yet too young: I used to get bored by Antonioni, now I adore LA NOTTE & BLOW UP :)

Next to Sam:
Leone
Ford
Kubrick
Wilder
Hawks
Godard
Lean
Polanski
Fellini
Antonioni
Welles
Hitchcock

+ 20 more :)

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by JEFF1950 on 07/18/14 at 6:48pm

, , The thing is, there are some directors who have made lots of films but out of those maybe 2 or 3 are any good, sometimes it’s a case of a one hit wonder and some directors have made many good ones.. So I'll put the film next to the director.

Sam.
Wyler. The Best Years of our Lives, Ben-Hur
Wilder. Some Like it Hot, The Apartment.
Cronemberg. The Fly, A History of Violence
Carpenter. The Thing
Burton. Ed Wood
Laughton. Night is the Hunter.
Pal., War of the Worlds, The Time Machine, 
Chaffey. Jason and the Argonauts.
Leroy. Random Harvest.
Enfield. Zulu
Reed. The Way Ahead. Oliver.
Cavalcanti. Went the day Well, Dead of Night.
Scott. The Duelists, Alien.
Lean, Hobson’s Choice, Oliver Twist.

And many more… 


Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Novecento on 07/18/14 at 8:55pm
Sergio Leone and Giuseppe Tornatore

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Robert Blenheim on 07/19/14 at 9:53pm

mike bishop wrote on 07/18/14 at 3:39pm:
Great list.
I have yet to discover Wong-Kar Wai and Haneke, who's at the moment never touched me. Maybe I'm too young still: I used get bored by Antonioni, now I adore LA NOTTE & BLOWUP :)


I hope some don't take offense at this, but I found I had to be 'of a mature age' to appreciate Antonioni.  I adore him as well.  About two years ago I did a lecture on him in a local art theater before the showing of "Red Desert," analyzing the 'development' of the Vitti character(s) and the importance of the tetralogy.  My favorite Antonioni film is now "L'Eclisse" (check out the new Blu-ray on Criterion), but I find "L'Avventura," "La Notte," "Red Desert" on a veritable equal level, followed closely by "Il Grido" and "The Passenger".   These six I find are his best.  Although I do like "Blow Up" I think (somewhat ironically) it has been overrated critically (but not historically).  Those six I find nothing in cinema to equal them.

As far as Haneke, "The White Ribbon" and "Amour" are as close to perfect works of art as possible, at least since Bergman's "Cries and Whispers", and Haneke's "Hidden" ("Cache") is only a hair's width below them.  Those three are masterpieces, and I love many of his early films that led up to them, even his original German "Funny Games (I find his American remake redundant and less effective) which we can understand now as a lot more than sensationalistic and gruesome horror by looking back from the standpoint of his masterpieces.  Haneke always was concerned with viewer-film experience, and tearing into the media (as well as our relationship with the media) a primary subject.   Recommended also are "The Piano Teacher," "Benny's Video" and "Seventh Continent" (his first feature) for those interested in studying Haneke further.

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Robert Blenheim on 07/19/14 at 10:00pm

mike bishop wrote on 07/18/14 at 3:39pm:
Great list.
I have yet to discover Wong-Kar Wai ...)


OMG, my heart breaks every time I experience Wong's "In the Mood for Love", one of the most moving and beautifully poetic works of art of my life.  To me, this film is a great love in itself, one impossible to communicate all of its treasures.  I just remember Maggie Cheung's cheongsam drifting down the stairway in slow motion past Tony Leung, or the two of them trying to shelter themselves in the rain.  What more could anyone want from a film?


Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Stanton on 07/20/14 at 5:33am
Yes, Wong Kar Wai is fantastic, and In the Mood for Love deserves all the praise it got.

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Robert Blenheim on 07/20/14 at 7:14pm

Stanton wrote on 07/20/14 at 5:33am:
Yes, Wong Kar Wai is fantastic, and In the Mood for Love deserves all the praise it got.


Wong has little in common with Peckinpah on the surface -- but he uses time 'manipulation' (various speeds of slow motion) and editing in a unique way that forms his own personal 'visual poetry' with contrapuntal rhythms.  I know of no other filmmaker on a level with Wong and Peckinpah in this respect.

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Stanton on 07/21/14 at 7:30am
Some whose films and whose style I somehow love:

Sergio Leone
Federico Fellini
David Lynch
Dominik Graf
Julio Medem
Park Chon-wook
Max Ophüls
Stanley Kubrick
Emir Kusturica
Orson Welles
Quentin Tarantino
Pedro Almodovar
Eric Rohmer
John Cassavetes

and ... ohhh, so many others ...

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Robert Blenheim on 07/21/14 at 7:56pm
All of Lynch's work don't do it for me -- but "Mulholland Dr." is one of my ten favorite all-time films, and his "Straight Story" is also a veritable masterpiece.   And I love Ophuls (especially "The Earrings of Madame De...") but I have to confess he lost me with his last film, "Lola Montez," which strikes me as definitive tedium with a lead actress who seems about as interesting as a potted plant.

And I'm glad Park Chan-wook has given us more than "Oldboy": I love "Thirst" and "I'm a Cyborg but that's OK", and find them superior to his 'Vengeance' films.

Actually, I find two South Korean filmmakers superior: Among my favorites are Lee Chang-dong (whose masterpiece "Poetry" I gave an introductory lecture about a while ago at the local art theater) and Kim Ki-duk (a master of disturbing and beautiful works of art like "Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter...and Spring" and "3-Iron").

I really enjoyed your list, Stanton, and, yes, so many others...!

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Stanton on 07/22/14 at 4:11am
The lead actress of Lola Montez was not Ophüls' choice. One of the sour compromises filmmakers have often (sometimes?) to do.
Danielle Darrieux would have been the logical choice.

Kim Ki-duk is also great, especially 3-Iron.

Park's I'm a Cyborg but that's OK was somehow often boring, but I watched it only once, so who knows ...
Sympathy for Lady Vengeance on the other hand is another total masterpiece.
I haven't watched his Hollywood debut Stoker yet.

Lee Chang-dong is one I have to check.

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Robert Blenheim on 07/22/14 at 7:58pm

Stanton wrote on 07/22/14 at 4:11am:
Park's I'm a Cyborg but that's OK was somehow often boring, but I watched it only once, so who knows ...
Sympathy for Lady Vengeance on the other hand is another total masterpiece.
I haven't watched his Hollywood debut Stoker yet.


Actually, Stanton, I did find "I'm a Cyborg" somewhat boring in its first half, but by the end I thought it was a unique film, a brilliant example of 'fantastic realism'.   But it was difficult on first viewing.

I admit: I haven't seen "Sympathy for Lady Vengeance."   I will try to see it when I get the chance.

"Stoker," unfortunately, was a mess.  I think it's a failure on the level of Wong Kar-wai's "Blueberry Nights."   Glad Wong bounced back with a brilliant vengeance with his masterpiece, "Grandmaster" (which deserves to be seen in its 130-min. Chinese cut).   I hope Park does the same following the disappointing (and pretentious) "Stoker".

Lee Chang-dong has, after only five films, become a master.  His last three films (all displaying a directing of actresses on a par with Bergman) are humanist works of genius: "Oasis," "Secret Sunshine," and "Poetry."   In a leap, he has gone to the top of the great filmmakers to come out of South Korea.

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Gashade on 07/24/14 at 6:27pm
After Sam:
Satoshi Kon
Monte Hellman
Kim Ki-duk

And to stress a few names that haven't appeared here yet:
Henri-Georges Clouzot
Otokar Votocek
Yasujiro Ozu
Karel Zeman

And, why not: Michael Mann, and Walter Hill (who has done many shits, but some fantastic work too, and whose Long Riders come very close to Peckinpah's world)

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Sean Mallory on 08/05/14 at 3:47am
After Sam: Leone, Eastwood, Kurosawa, Cimino, Herzog, Aldrich, Fuller, Siegel, Monte Hellman, Walter Hill, Carpenter, Corbucci (only the westerns), Anthony Mann (only the westerns), Boorman, Milius, Michael Winner and more more others…

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Stanton on 08/05/14 at 7:28am

Sean Mallory wrote on 08/05/14 at 3:47am:
Corbucci (only the westerns)


All of his westerns or some of his westerns?

Corbucci was a very gifted director, unfortunately he did not made much of this talent in the context of his long career. Even his Spagies are a mixed bag.
He was the only other Italian western director who could rival Sergio Leone, but half of his westerns are not that good, or even a bit bad. But his best Spagies are often masterful directed unusual stuff.

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Sean Mallory on 08/05/14 at 8:33am
I don't like the first two and the last two, but I love almost all other
(especially Django, Navajo Joe, Il Grande SilenzioGli Specialisti, Il Mercenario and Vamos a matar, compañeros)
Yes, he didn't have the grandeur and the perfectionism of Leone, but under certain aspects has been a director more revolutionary and radical than him...

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Stanton on 08/05/14 at 2:42pm
A few words I wrote once about Corbucci's westerns:

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Corbucci's highlights are The Great Silence and The Mercenary. Botha re daring films with excellent directing. Django ( a very influential film) and Vamos a matar Companeros contain also some brilliant stuff, but, alas, also some sloppy scenes.

Corbucci was one of the greatest western directors.


Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Sean Mallory on 08/06/14 at 3:34am
Great article, but I disagree on Navajo Joe, that I consider a revenge movie with a masterful construction.

Yeah, one of the greatest western directors of all time, at the level of the americans...

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Sean Mallory on 08/06/14 at 4:39am

Gashade wrote on 07/24/14 at 6:27pm:
and Walter Hill (who has done many shits, but some fantastic work too, and whose Long Riders come very close to Peckinpah's world)


Yes, great movie, and the final shootout of Extreme Prejudice is a loving tribute to The Wild Bunch  :)
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Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Robert Blenheim on 08/06/14 at 7:22pm

Sean Mallory wrote on 08/05/14 at 3:47am:
...Anthony Mann (only the westerns)...


Mann did some wonderful noirs as well.

By the way, one really underrated (and all-too-unseen) Mann quasi-western is "The Furies".   If you've never seen it, it's excellent!

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Robert Blenheim on 08/06/14 at 7:28pm

Gashade wrote on 07/24/14 at 6:27pm:
...Kim Ki-duk...


Gashade, I'm interested to know which Kim films are your favorites.  I love his cinema!

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Sean Mallory on 08/07/14 at 4:23am

Robert Blenheim wrote on 08/06/14 at 7:22pm:
By the way, one really underrated (and all-too-unseen) Mann quasi-western is "The Furies".   If you've never seen it, it's excellent!


Yes, I've seen it, but I don't loved it so much
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For me the best of Mann are the 5 with Jimmy Stewart and Devil's Doorway.
I really like also Cimarron, although in general it's very underrated...

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Stanton on 08/07/14 at 5:09am
I like all of Mann's westerns, with the exception of Cimarron, which then is not really his western. It was re-cut against his wishes, but there are still some great scenes, but also some Hollywood big budget garbage.

His best are The Naked Spur and Man of the West.

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Robert Blenheim on 08/07/14 at 9:02pm

Sean Mallory wrote on 08/07/14 at 4:23am:
For me the best of Mann are the 5 with Jimmy Stewart and Devil's Doorway.
I really like also Cimarron, although in general it's very underrated...


My own personal favorite of Mann's is "Man of the West".  I prefer its darkness to the Stewart Westerns, although I love most of them too!   

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Nate B. on 08/20/14 at 10:08pm
Alright so, in my own idiotic way I decided to comment on this one one after I had tied a few too many on... no doubt a bad idea... but I though it might shorten my list.... in no particular order with Peckinpah my favs are:
Sidney Lumet
Joseph H. Lewis
Michael Mann
Charles Laughton
Takeshi Kitano
Wong Kar Wai
Anthony Mann
Hal Ashby
Jean-Pierre Melville
John Woo
Francis Ford Coppola
Martin Scorsese
FW Murnau
Jules Dassin
Fritz Lang
James Cameron
Gerge Roy Hill
Akira Kurosawa
Quentin Tarantino
Steven Speilberg
William Friedkin
David O Russell
Billy Wilder
Paul Thomas Anderson
John Huston
annnd I can't have a list like that without Hayao Miyazaki.
As others have said, some of those on my list are there for 1 or 2 films only. This was probably a bad idea but I was debating movies after hours and somehow posting seemed fitting. :) John Carnahan, Otto Preminger, Darren Aronofsky, Walt Disney, John Millius, and Alan J. Pakula should probably be on there too. I guess my "brilliant" idea just made the freakin list longer. ;D

Title: Re: Your Favorite Directors, after Sam Peckinpah
Post by Sergej on 03/26/15 at 3:58am
Sam is Primus inter Pares, first among others, and others are:
John Huston,
Robert Aldrich
Vittorio De Sica
Roberto Rossellini
Joseph L. Mankiewicz
Masaki Kobayashi,
Akira Kurosawa,
Sergio Leone
Henri Georges Clousot
Jules Dassin
Andre De Toth
Marcel Carne
Istvan Szabo
Charles Laughton
.....

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