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Message started by mike bishop on 12/11/14 at 5:48am

Title: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by mike bishop on 12/11/14 at 5:48am
I just heard that KINO LORBER in New York will release CONVOY on blu-ray.
I offered them my 100 min. of supplements that I produced for the UK / German blu-ray. I read they are more into 'bare bones' releases so I strongly suggest that you write to them, telling them you'd love to have these extras on the US release. Also post it in the US blu-ray.com forum...

It is getting more and more difficult to produce these extras and if we can't find buyers anyway that whole golden decade of fantastic supplements will soon vanish for good (you'll remember my words :)).

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Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 12/12/14 at 8:59pm

mike bishop wrote on 12/11/14 at 5:48am:
I read they are more into 'bare bones' releases...


That might be so, but they do include extras on some of their releases so you never know.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by mike bishop on 01/25/15 at 8:06am
We made it happen :).

The US CONVOY will be the best (ever I suppose) worldwide:
all my (100 min.) supplements will be included as well
as an audio-commentary by Simmons / Seydor / Redman.

AND: I upscaled everything to 1:1,78 HD! So no more 4:3 / zoom-in etc.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Nate B. on 01/26/15 at 5:41pm

mike bishop wrote on 01/25/15 at 8:06am:
We made it happen :).

The US CONVOY will be the best (ever I suppose) worldwide:
all my (100 min.) supplements will be included as well
as an audio-commentary by Simmons / Seydor / Redman.

AND: I upscaled everything to 1:1,78 HD! So no more 4:3 / zoom-in etc.


YEEEESSSSSSSS!!!!

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 04/11/15 at 2:04pm

mike bishop wrote on 01/25/15 at 8:06am:
We made it happen :).

The US CONVOY will be the best (ever I suppose) worldwide:
all my (100 min.) supplements will be included as well
as an audio-commentary by Simmons / Seydor / Redman.

AND: I upscaled everything to 1:1,78 HD! So no more 4:3 / zoom-in etc.


In spite of Mike's extras being in HD and the new commentary track, it sounds like the image on US Blu-ray is not as good as the UK one:

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Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by mike bishop on 04/20/15 at 1:16pm
I finally saw it.
It didn't think they would do yet another HD transfer in the US rather then licensing the one from Studiocanal.
Well it's different. Nice colors here and there. Not bad really.
But the Studiocanal is better since they restored the original negativ.
In the US I suppose they scanned an internegativ (2nd or 3rd copy
of the negative done back then to make prints for distributors).

Nice release anyway. Garner Simmons has a lot to tell
on the audio - commentary...

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by mike bishop on 04/27/15 at 4:38am
It is difficult to compare those two releases. Yesterday I checked them out again and now I think the KINO LORBER master looks probably better! Color-wise anyway. More natural. I guess Studiocanal had to restore the colors of the negative heavily and it shows. Hard contrasts here and there too.
It will take a while until I will screen the complete film again, after I worked so long on it for the supplements I have no desire to watch it again yet. But I think I will go with the MGM / FOX master then!

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by chet1985 on 05/03/15 at 12:41am
Wish Garner could have shared more memories of the screening of Sam's cut of the movie in the commentary. Also I was surprised that Paul seemed to enjoy the segments of the film so much, all most had to stifle his enthusiasm.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 05/06/15 at 10:12pm

chet1985 wrote on 05/03/15 at 12:41am:
Wish Garner could have shared more memories of the screening of Sam's cut of the movie in the commentary.


Did he say anything interesting about it?

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by chet1985 on 05/07/15 at 3:40am
Sam's version of the film was a final fine directors cut, not an assembly or anything of that nature and probably only about 30 to 45 minutes longer than the released version. It was a much more of a surreal film, the whole end of the film was much more of a dream like sequence with Pig Pen crashing into the Ice Cream truck being inter-cut with shots of Pig Pen and other characters out side pointing and laughing at Pig Pen, whilst inter-cut with bridge sequence. The last shot of the film, was a slow zoom into the window of church bus revealing Sam in his directors chair with crew. He claims those in attendance at the screening were impressed with the film. Graeme Clifford who did finish the editing of the film, did work with Sam as well.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Stanton on 05/07/15 at 3:40pm
Only 30 - 45 min?

That's a lot ...

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 05/07/15 at 9:02pm

chet1985 wrote on 05/07/15 at 3:40am:
Sam's version of the film was a final fine directors cut, not an assembly or anything of that nature and probably only about 30 to 45 minutes longer than the released version. It was a much more of a surreal film, the whole end of the film was much more of a dream like sequence with Pig Pen crashing into the Ice Cream truck being inter-cut with shots of Pig Pen and other characters out side pointing and laughing at Pig Pen, whilst inter-cut with bridge sequence. The last shot of the film, was a slow zoom into the window of church bus revealing Sam in his directors chair with crew. He claims those in attendance at the screening were impressed with the film. Graeme Clifford who did finish the editing of the film, did work with Sam as well.


That would have been great to see. I do vaguely remember reading/hearing somewhere about it being somewhat surreal with shots of Ali MacGraw running down the road. I also remember hearing that Peckinpah wasn't happy with how it ended up which is why he didn't really fight for his cut when the studio stepped in. Having said that it sounds like it was actually pretty good after all... I think I need to re-watch Mike's documentary on the disc.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by chet1985 on 05/08/15 at 2:01am
Well much shorter than the rumors of a three hour plus run time, I can't really guess as to the quality of Sam's version, also Jerry Fielding was present at the screening as he was to do the score for the film before Sam was fired.

I was quite surprised that they didn't seem aware of the revival 'Convoy' has experienced in the last few years, I've caught several theatrical screenings in the past few years in the US. The movie as is has a strong cult following of serious cinephiles.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 09/15/15 at 11:07pm
Has anyone ever seen Sergio Corbucci's "Il bestione" (The Beast) from 1974?

Any similarities with Peckinpah's "Convoy" as an allegory for the Old West?

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 03/06/16 at 1:15pm

Novecento wrote on 05/07/15 at 9:02pm:

chet1985 wrote on 05/07/15 at 3:40am:
Sam's version of the film was a final fine directors cut, not an assembly or anything of that nature and probably only about 30 to 45 minutes longer than the released version. It was a much more of a surreal film, the whole end of the film was much more of a dream like sequence with Pig Pen crashing into the Ice Cream truck being inter-cut with shots of Pig Pen and other characters out side pointing and laughing at Pig Pen, whilst inter-cut with bridge sequence. The last shot of the film, was a slow zoom into the window of church bus revealing Sam in his directors chair with crew. He claims those in attendance at the screening were impressed with the film. Graeme Clifford who did finish the editing of the film, did work with Sam as well.


That would have been great to see. I do vaguely remember reading/hearing somewhere about it being somewhat surreal with shots of Ali MacGraw running down the road. I also remember hearing that Peckinpah wasn't happy with how it ended up which is why he didn't really fight for his cut when the studio stepped in. Having said that it sounds like it was actually pretty good after all... I think I need to re-watch Mike's documentary on the disc.


Has anyone read this book:

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I came across it in a bookstore the other day. There is a chapter on Peckinpah and "Convoy". I briefly scanned it while I was there, but did not read the details. Maybe I will pick up a copy one day.

Anyway, if a producer's sole aim is to turn a profit, then it seems Michael Deeley handled the situation and all of Peckinpah's antics well; the release being was a big hit and everyone made lots of money. However, if the producer's role should be to protect artistic integrity then I suppose a different argument could be made. He seems to think Peckinpah wasn't being serious when he had that shot of Ali McGraw running upside-down.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by mike bishop on 03/06/16 at 5:56pm
Yeah, I have that book. Most of the content regarding CONVOY he told in my CONVOY documentary.
I have an Interview with Sam where he states that the upside-down shot was due to an assistant of his DP who wasn't capable of mounting the camera the right way on a car. Sounds reasonable to me, I can't image why Sam would have planned to film & include such a shot. (Deeley states he was angry when he saw it while watching dailies - not a cut of the film!)

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 03/07/16 at 9:01am
Interesting that he is referring to the dailies and not a cut of the film. I was under the impression the upside down shot was in a rough cut.

Anyway, why couldn't they just turn it the other way up?

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by mike bishop on 03/07/16 at 10:11am
Of course one could have done that later on, accepting the loss of a generation, but watching dailies means seeing the footage for the very first time: The neg goes from the camera mag to the lab and then to the projection room.
So it appears that Sam was pissed seeing the mess Stradling (who he had no respect for anyway) and his assistants had produced, while Deeley thought Sam had shot such unusable stuff on purpose. I suppose they didn't communicate much by that time anyway. My thoughts anyway.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 03/08/16 at 8:43pm
Ah ok - so you're saying it was ineptitude on the part of the crew rather than deliberate surrealism/sabotage (depending on your interpretation) on the part of Peckinpah.

I wish Peckinpah's rough cut had survived. At least in the case of The Osterman Weekend and Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid we don't have to make do with the theatrical releases.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by mike bishop on 03/09/16 at 7:47am
That's what Sam said on record. And which Director would sabotage his own film ? Can't agree more regarding the Director's cut (or his last version so to speak). When I worked on my CONVOY project my respect for Sam grew even more when I realized how much he improved this stupid script which I had never read before.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by LPLQ on 03/11/16 at 9:15pm
Oh boy...I've been watching all Peckinpah films the last week or so, and when I get to the end to watch my "'Convoy" DVD something tells me I might spring for this, even though this is the one movie of Sam's I could never get through.  We'll see, maybe time change my view.

I've got a new CD out called "Cinema Standards on Guitar" - there's nothing from Peckinpah's films on it ("I'll Remember April" didn't make the cut!) but I flirt with the idea of doing a "Sam Peckinpah on Guitar" disc one of these days - if I could find a way to make it all hang together!

Anyway, the "Cinema" disc is available here:

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Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 03/12/16 at 2:54pm
Shouldn't you be ending with The Osterman Weekend rather than Convoy anyway?

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by LPLQ on 03/13/16 at 9:46am
Well, I'm not running them in order...I've already watched "Osterman" - I'm saving "Convoy" for last... 

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by Novecento on 03/13/16 at 10:30pm
If Convoy weren't a "Sam Peckinpah film" (although technically it isn't largely really that anyway) which automatically sets an incredibly high bar, I think people would be more favorably disposed to it. It's certainly an enjoyable flick.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by mike bishop on 03/14/16 at 8:23am
Absolutely.
Regarding that, I had it the easy way: It was my first Peckinpah film, in the summer of 1978 I was just 11 years old. Hence I LOVED it, it was THE film of the summer I really wanted to see, especially since it was rated "16" in Germany and the trailer promised a really cool film. Which it was. Therefore I can still enjoy it - looking through the eyes of this 11 year old boy - without always thinking of all the aspects that came along in the following years and decades.

Title: Re: CONVOY on blu-ray / worldwide
Post by LPLQ on 03/14/16 at 7:02pm
I remember the trailer and the song - I would have been 13 in 1978 - but I didn't take to it even then.  I've never been much for those type of films, but I'm going into it with an open mind when I get to it in a few nights!   

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