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Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid versions (Read 22930 times)
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Reply #42 - 05/25/14 at 1:50pm
 
The newest board member is at the moment a certain Paul Seydor. I wouldn't mind to read some more thoughts on this topic from him here.   Cool
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Re: Pat Garrett & Billy the Kid versions
Reply #43 - 05/26/14 at 8:53pm
 
Paul Seydor is not just a brilliant Peckinpah scholar and writer, he is also a wonderful, generous man.  I finally managed to fulfill a dream of mine a few days ago and discuss in depth PG&BTK with him, and the different scenes and versions.  Now I realize how much myth and incorrect information has been inadvertently (and sometimes mindlessly) circulated for years.  In my classes and online I have always detailed what I believed to be the truth, with a conscientious exactitude, but from the moment of the film's release so much nonsense has been propagated.  And a lot of it seems to have been the fault of Peckinpah himself.

One thing I learned from Paul was that many mistakes were made in the editing and sound of the making of the 2005 version after it had left his hands, and one of them was the editing blunder (when R.G. Armstrong is cocking his gun), an inacceptable gaff that I have been, and am still, so upset about -- and justly, I might add. 

Because of the bungles and sloppiness the 2005 version displays (such as that sequence), I remain not happy with the 2005 version and still prefer the Turner cut (with the caveat that it needs the Wife and the Ruthie Lee sequences), but now I am confident that every decision Paul Seydor made in forming the 2005 version had a valid reason for it, and was made not only with a respectful restraint, but with wisdom gained from his unsurpassed experience.

Moreover, I am happier still because I know now that he proved to be the erudite, intelligent Peckinpavian expert I had always considered him to be.

My dialogue on this film from now on will be drastically different, and gladly so -- and I eagerly await his upcoming book to garner even more insight into the entire Pat Garrett and Billy the Kid experience.
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Reply #44 - 05/27/14 at 8:37am
 
Then, please, tell us about some of the differences in your view of the film's versions
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Reply #45 - 05/27/14 at 1:33pm
 
Stanton wrote on 05/27/14 at 8:37am:
Then, please, tell us about some of the differences in your view of the film's versions


It isn't the differences (for most of us know the differences from past discussions, or can discover them by examining the versions) but the explanation as to why.

Paul Seydor's new book will probably have most of the answers.  (If you are impatient in waiting for that book, I am too!)
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Reply #46 - 05/28/14 at 4:33am
 
That was what I asked for, the differences in the explanations.

I assume that it was your meeting with Seydor that he has signed up here?
Where did you meet him?
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Reply #47 - 05/28/14 at 7:52pm
 
Stanton wrote on 05/28/14 at 4:33am:
That was what I asked for, the differences in the explanations.

I assume that it was your meeting with Seydor that he has signed up here?
Where did you meet him?


Nothing personal, Stanton, but I'd rather not answer those questions right now.   My suggestion is: Buy the book.
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