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Paul Seydor's new Pat Garrett book (Read 4080 times)
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Reply #6 - 03/15/15 at 11:48am
 
You need to keep reading...  Smiley

Stanton wrote on 03/15/15 at 7:34am:
The credits list 6 editors for PG&BtK. But even in this big book, and with a lot of pages spent to the editing, 3 of them are never mentioned.

What was their contribution?


He mentions later on that Spottiswoode, Wolfe and Craven were the only ones of the 6 who actually worked on it.

Stanton wrote on 03/15/15 at 7:34am:
How comes that Peckinpah was pissed of about Wolfe and Spottiswoode, but worked with Tony de Zaraga, one of the other 3, again on The Killer Elite?


Again later on he mentions that Peckinpah was angry with Wolfe for editing the theatrical cut, and that Spottiswoode clashed with Peckinpah for his treatment of Wolfe in this regard.
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Re: Paul Seydor's new Pat Garrett book
Reply #7 - 03/15/15 at 3:23pm
 
Novecento wrote on 03/15/15 at 11:48am:
Stanton wrote on 03/15/15 at 7:34am:
How comes that Peckinpah was pissed of about Wolfe and Spottiswoode, but worked with Tony de Zaraga, one of the other 3, again on The Killer Elite?


Again later on he mentions that Peckinpah was angry with Wolfe for editing the theatrical cut, and that Spottiswoode clashed with Peckinpah for his treatment of Wolfe in this regard.


I know.

But it still seems strange that 3 editors are credited if they had not much or none input on the film.
And this De Zaraga guy isn't mentioned in any Peckinpah book. At least I don't remember reading anything about him
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Reply #8 - 03/17/15 at 10:17pm
 
Stanton wrote on 03/15/15 at 3:23pm:
But it still seems strange that 3 editors are credited if they had not much or none input on the film.


You need to read footnote 16 at the bottom of p.348 where Seydor discusses this.

Stanton wrote on 03/15/15 at 3:23pm:
And this De Zaraga guy isn't mentioned in any Peckinpah book. At least I don't remember reading anything about him


Seydor mentions that the other 3 (of which De Zarraga is one) were "additional hands" rather than functioning in any creative sense. Perhaps De Zarraga served a similar role on The Killer Elite which also had multiple editors (one of whom was Monte Hellman who presumably played a major role).
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Reply #9 - 03/18/15 at 9:24am
 
I read that before, and I assumed that it was related to the fact that Spottiswoode is a Brit.
And I know that film credits are not always telling the facts.

Still it is strange that there are 3 editors named of whom we do not know much.
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Reply #10 - 04/07/15 at 9:07pm
 
Robert Blenheim wrote on 04/07/15 at 6:44pm:
Here is the link to my review of Paul Seydor's new book that I posted today on Amazon.com.

Everyone here should definitely get a copy.  It's a must-read!

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I enjoyed it too. It had far more historical context behind the screenplay than I was expecting, but it was all very welcome! Definitely money well spent.

While I am still not a huge fan of the 2005 Special Edition, it was great to learn all the context behind it and the reasoning behind Seydor's choices as an embellishment of his previous short article. In this regard it was also interesting to note how Seydor's hand were tied to a degree.
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Reply #11 - 04/08/15 at 4:49pm
 
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While I am still not a huge fan of the 2005 Special Edition, it was great to learn all the context behind it and the reasoning behind Seydor's choices as an embellishment of his previous short article. In this regard it was also interesting to note how Seydor's hand were tied to a degree.


Agree completely, Novecento.
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